I had been out on vacation and was going to write one big post to cover all my thoughts, but my work is crazy good right now, so I'll bite off one at a time.
Nate Schierholtz made news lately by complaining in an interview with Hank Schulman that he's not satisfied with the amount of playing time he's been getting and that he would welcome a trade. He said that if he's not their guy, then maybe he should move on.
He didn't back off of it yesterday but gave a more team oriented comment instead. Schulman noted in his blog that it was clear that the team informed him that he appeared selfish with his original statements.
Giants Thoughts
First off, I don't really think that Nate is going anywhere. The Giants love defense, or specifically, Sabean has loved defense since he first became GM. He might have to hornshoe in guys with poor defense, to accommodate roster and budget realities, but mostly, in his comments over the years, it's clear he prefers good defensive players. Nate is a virtuoso in RF.
The main reason I think he is going nowhere is because I see another round of competition for playing time in the OF in 2013. There is almost no way the Giants sign both Melky Cabrera and Angel Pagan, due to all the money devoted to the pitching, and most likely Melky will be signed, the question is how much (one item I wanted to cover). Plus not much money for free agents, I don't think.
That means Melky got LF most probably, and Gregor Blanco will be the presumptive starting CF (perhaps in platoon with Justin Christian), and then Nate in RF, as nobody in Fresno is knocking down the door for the RF starting spot. Francisco Peguero and Chris Dominguez isn't doing much there, and Roger Kieschnick, who put himself into position to challenge, got injured again, so who knows what he can do for us next season. Plus maybe a journeyman OF, like Torres and Blanco before him.
Nate is just too valuable, as well as cheap, to trade away, unless another team really thinks he's as good as he think he is, and gives up more to the Giants in terms of a RF starter, who they can control for multiple years. If teams really felt that way about him, then an offer like that might have happened before, and if that offer had ever been done, I would think the Giants would have gone for it, Nate has always been a tweener in terms of prospect potential, showing enough to warrant interest and continued opportunities, but never breaking out enough to hold the starting job. However, the only type of trade I can see Schierholtz being a part of is one where both teams are giving up on a prospect, and seeing if they can do something with our castoff, like when we traded Salomon Torres for Shawn Estes, or Yorvit Torrealba and Jesse Foppert for Randy Winn..
A major league starter needs to be consistently good, or rather, not consistently really bad. Nate has been great over up to a month's period of time. If he hit like that all the time, he would be a star in the MLB and not needing to do such interviews. Heck, if he could at least be replacement level during his down time, then the Giants could live with that. But he's typically not and the Giants are forced to go elsewhere for RF starting.
That he didn't understand why he sat down for so long shows that he was being myopic and selfish. Blanco had a monster May, much like the ones Nate puts out. Like Nate, when he cooled off, he got the benefit of the doubt - if you go over Nate's usage patterns in the past, the Giants would give him chance after chance after his nice surge, but eventually had to go to another player as Nate was just cold. Now that his cool off period has ran too long, plus Pagan is having a long cold period, Nate is getting his opportunities.
Bochy, contrary to popular opinion, likes static lineups, where he can write in the same names every day. However, if a guy isn't hitting, he's going to mix and match. If Nate had paid any attention the past few years, he would have seen that and realize that Bochy would probably start using him more again after the All-Star break. He just needed to be patient.
The Giants believe in him, else he wouldn't still be around, unlike Lewis, Frandsen, Bowker, Linden (OK, he came back, but he was gone for a while). He needs to realize that a MLB hitter can't be cold for an extended period and not get put on notice. Bochy wants to win, and now. I like that about him, and that is what changed my mind about him in 2010 down the stretch, you need a manager with that killer attitude to bring in the hardware, which he did in 2010.
This bit of hot hitting will get Nate some more opportunities. Don't blow them Nate and you will have RF sewn up and Pagan and Blanco would end up sharing CF playing time. I still believe in his abilities, but this lava hot and arctic cold can't continue if he hopes to start. I think Bochy told him he wasn't starter's material to rile him up and get him motivated to get to this consistency level he needs to be a starter. The Giants appear to be reaching the end of their string in terms of Nate as a starter, but he's still very valuable as a 4th OF because he can take over if there is any injury or cold stretch without much downside in production, so I don't see him going anywhere, unless the Giants get a very good deal.
These are just my opinions. I cannot promise that I will be perfect, but I can promise that I will seek to understand and illuminate whatever moves that the Giants make (my obsession and compulsion). I will share my love of baseball and my passion for the Giants. And I will try to teach, best that I can. Often, I tackle the prevailing mood among Giants fans and see if that is a correct stance, good or bad.
Monday, July 23, 2012
Nate Not So Great: But I Still Like Him
| Reactions: |
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
Labels
1984 Draft
(1)
2007 Draft
(14)
2007 Giants
(52)
2008 Draft
(22)
2008 Giants
(53)
2008 season
(6)
2009 Draft
(18)
2009 Giants
(87)
2009 season
(24)
2010 Decade
(9)
2010 Draft
(11)
2010 Giants
(137)
2010 NL ROY award
(1)
2010 season
(19)
2010's
(3)
2011 Draft
(9)
2011 Giants
(84)
2011 season
(8)
2012 Draft
(11)
2012 Giants
(93)
2012 season
(11)
2013 Giants
(22)
2013 season
(2)
25 man roster
(4)
3B
(1)
40 Man Roster
(3)
6-man rotation
(1)
89 Quake
(1)
89 World Series
(1)
A's
(6)
A-Rod
(3)
AA-Ball
(1)
Aaron Rowand
(25)
accomplishments
(1)
Adalberto Mejia
(1)
AFL
(4)
Alex Hinshaw
(3)
All-Star Game
(1)
almost perfect game
(1)
Amphetamine
(2)
analysis
(2)
Andre Torres
(14)
Andres Torres
(2)
Andrew Susac
(2)
Andy Baggerly
(1)
Andy Sisco
(1)
Angel Joseph
(1)
Angel Pagan
(8)
Angel Villalona
(28)
Anniversary
(1)
appendicitis
(1)
Arbitration
(11)
Armando Benitez
(5)
Armando Gallaraga
(1)
art of failure
(1)
ATT Park
(1)
Aubrey Huff
(20)
Award
(4)
BABIP
(2)
Barry Bonds
(26)
Barry Zito
(69)
Baseball America
(1)
Baseball Prospectus
(2)
Baseball Prospectus Bias Against Giants
(3)
baseball strategy
(5)
Baseball Study
(11)
baserunning
(2)
batting peripherals
(1)
batting stance analysis
(1)
batting title champion
(1)
Beat LA
(6)
bench players
(1)
Bengie Molina
(14)
Benjamin Snyder
(1)
Bert Blyleven
(1)
Bias Against Giants
(1)
Big 6
(7)
Bill Hall
(1)
Bill James Handbook
(2)
Bill Neukom
(21)
Billy Beane
(1)
Blog Philosophy
(1)
Bob Howry
(2)
Bob Mariano
(1)
Bobby Evans
(1)
Brad Hennessey
(5)
Brad Penny
(2)
Brandon Belt
(29)
Brandon Crawford
(16)
Braves
(5)
breakout
(1)
Brett Bochy
(2)
Brett Pill
(6)
Brian Anderson
(1)
Brian Bocock
(2)
Brian Cooper
(1)
Brian Horwitz
(3)
Brian Sabean
(38)
Brian Wilson
(14)
Bruce Bochy
(20)
Bucky Showalter
(1)
Bullpen
(17)
Bumgarner
(1)
Business Plan
(13)
Buster Posey
(84)
Byung-Hyun Kim
(1)
Cained
(4)
Cards
(8)
Career Prospects
(1)
Carl Hubbell
(1)
Carlos Beltran
(4)
Carlos Gomez
(1)
Carney Lansford
(2)
Carter Jurica
(1)
catcher injury
(4)
catching
(1)
CC Sabathia
(1)
CEO
(2)
Charles Culberson
(5)
Charlie Culberson
(3)
Chillax
(1)
Chris Gloor
(1)
Chris Heston
(2)
Chris Lincecum
(1)
Chris O'Leary
(1)
Chris Ray
(4)
Chris Stewart
(4)
Chris Stratton
(6)
Christmas
(1)
Christopher Dominguez
(3)
Christy Mathewson
(1)
Chuckie Jones
(2)
Clay Hensley
(3)
Clayton Blackburn
(3)
Clayton Tanner
(3)
Closer
(7)
closer by committee
(3)
Coaches
(3)
Cody Ross
(8)
Col
(1)
Comeback Award
(1)
Commissioner
(1)
competitiveness
(1)
Conor Gillaspie
(22)
Cory Hart
(1)
Craig Whitaker
(2)
cuts
(1)
Cy Young Award
(5)
D-backs
(14)
D-gers
(30)
D-Rocks
(3)
D-Rox
(16)
Dallas McPherson
(1)
Dan Ortmeier
(11)
Dan Otero
(2)
Dan Runzler
(6)
Darren Ford
(1)
Dave Roberts
(11)
David Aardsma
(1)
David Loewenstein
(1)
Decade of the Giants
(9)
Defense
(6)
Deferred Money
(1)
DFA
(3)
DH
(2)
Dick Tidrow
(1)
Dirty
(1)
DL
(1)
dodgers
(1)
Draft Analysis
(7)
Draft Bonus
(7)
draft signing
(2)
Draft Strategy
(11)
Draft Study
(2)
Draft Success
(2)
drafting
(1)
Dres
(16)
Edgar Renteria
(13)
Ehire Adrianza
(9)
Eli Whiteside
(4)
Elimination game
(1)
EME
(2)
Emmanuel Burriss
(18)
epic season
(6)
Eric Byrnes
(1)
Eric Surkamp
(4)
Eugenio Velez
(12)
extension
(6)
Fielding
(2)
Fielding Stats
(2)
first post-season press conference
(1)
Francisco Peguero
(3)
Fred Lewis
(3)
Freddie Lewis
(17)
Freddie Sanchez
(4)
Freddy Sanchez
(7)
Free Agency
(3)
Free agent possibilities
(16)
Free agent signing
(1)
Free agent signings
(21)
gamer-tude
(1)
Gary Brown
(17)
Geno Espinelli
(1)
George Kontos
(2)
Ghosts of Giants Drafts
(1)
Giants blogs
(1)
Giants Chat
(2)
Giants Draft
(7)
Giants Drafts
(2)
Giants Farm System
(29)
Giants Franchise record
(2)
Giants Future
(60)
Giants GM
(4)
Giants Greats
(2)
Giants hitting manual
(1)
Giants No-Hitter
(3)
Giants Offense
(21)
Giants Offseason
(20)
Giants Strategy
(32)
GiDar
(1)
Gino Espinelli
(1)
glossary
(1)
good will
(1)
Graphical Player
(1)
Gregor Blanco
(7)
Guillermo Mota
(2)
Gustavo Cabrera
(2)
Hall of Fame
(6)
Hall of Shame
(2)
Hank Aaron
(5)
Happy Holidays
(2)
Hate mail
(1)
heart-warming
(1)
Heath Hembree
(4)
Hector Correa
(1)
Hector Sanchez
(7)
Henry Sosa
(8)
HGH
(1)
high expectations
(1)
Hitting
(15)
Hitting Coach
(1)
hitting mechanics
(2)
hitting pitchers
(2)
hitting streak
(1)
Hitting;
(1)
Home Run Career Record
(7)
Home Run Hitting Contest
(1)
Hunter Pence
(11)
Idea
(3)
improvement
(1)
Indictment
(1)
injury
(1)
instant replay
(2)
Interesting Question
(1)
International Free Agent Pursuits
(2)
International Signings
(5)
interview
(3)
Investment
(1)
Ivan Ochoa
(2)
Jack Taschner
(4)
Jackson Williams
(2)
Jacob Dunnington
(1)
Japanese Starters
(1)
Jarrett Parker
(4)
Jason Stoffel
(1)
Javier Lopez
(3)
Jeff Suppan
(1)
Jeremy Affeldt
(9)
Jeremy Shelley
(1)
Jerome Williams
(1)
Jesse English
(2)
Jesse Foppert
(1)
Jesus Guzman
(4)
Joaquin Arias
(6)
Joe Panik
(5)
Joe Torre
(1)
Joey Martinez
(2)
Johan Santana
(1)
John Bowker
(22)
Johnny Bench
(1)
Johnny Rucker
(1)
Jonathan Mayo
(1)
Jonathan Sanchez
(48)
Jose Casilla
(1)
Jose Guillen
(3)
Jose Mijares
(2)
Jose Uribe
(2)
Josh Osich
(2)
JT Snow
(1)
Juan Uribe
(9)
Juggling Monkey
(1)
Just Say No
(1)
Kevin Correia
(2)
Kevin Frandsen
(22)
Kevin Pucetas
(10)
Kung Fu Panda
(29)
Kyle Crick
(5)
Larry Baer
(2)
Larry Ellison
(1)
Lead-off
(2)
Lew Wolff
(1)
Lineup
(16)
Lineup position
(1)
Long-Term Contract
(18)
long-term planning
(2)
luck
(1)
Luis Angel Mateo
(2)
Mac Williamson
(3)
Madison Bumgarner
(99)
Mailbox
(1)
Malcolm Gladwell
(1)
management change
(3)
management issues
(5)
managerial value
(1)
Manny
(1)
Marc Kroon
(2)
Marco Scutaro
(8)
Mark DeRosa
(8)
Martin Agosta
(5)
Marvin Miller
(1)
Mason McVay
(1)
Matsuzaka
(1)
Matt Cain
(98)
Matt Downs
(2)
Matt Graham
(1)
Matt Holliday
(1)
Matt Morris
(2)
Mechanics
(4)
Media
(15)
Media Bias
(16)
Media Trade Idea
(3)
Medical
(1)
Mediocy
(9)
Mediots
(3)
Melk-Gone
(1)
Melky Cabrera
(14)
mental
(1)
Merkin Valdez
(8)
Message in a Bottle
(1)
Michael Main
(1)
Michael Trout
(1)
Miguel Cabrera
(2)
Miguel Tejada
(5)
Mike Fontenot
(3)
Mike Kickham
(3)
Mike Matheny
(1)
milestone
(1)
minor league contract
(1)
minors
(9)
mismanagement
(1)
mistakes
(2)
MLB
(2)
MLB stupidity
(2)
MLB Success
(5)
MLBAM
(1)
MLE
(1)
Mock Draft analysis
(3)
MVP
(1)
Natanael Javier
(1)
Nate Schierholtz
(45)
Nathanael Javier
(1)
Naysayers
(1)
Negotiations
(1)
Nick Noonan
(24)
Nick Pereira
(1)
NL Champions
(2)
NL West
(21)
NL West Division Title
(15)
NL West Future
(1)
NLCS
(15)
NLCS MVP
(1)
NLDS
(7)
Noah Lowry
(14)
non-roster invitees
(1)
non-tenders
(1)
Oakland A's
(3)
OBP
(1)
oddities
(1)
Offense
(3)
Omar Vizquel
(3)
one-run games
(1)
Opening Day
(4)
opening day roster
(1)
Optimism
(1)
Osiris Matos
(2)
Outfield
(1)
Ownership
(7)
Pablo Sandoval
(77)
Panda
(5)
Pandoval
(1)
passing
(1)
Pat Burrell
(15)
Pat Misch
(5)
Payroll
(7)
Pedro Feliz
(12)
PEDS
(9)
Perfect Game
(2)
perjury trial
(1)
Personal Reminiscence
(1)
Pessimism
(1)
Pete Rose
(2)
Peter Magowan
(2)
Phillies
(7)
Phoenix Theory of Rebuilding
(1)
Pitch Count
(3)
pitch value
(1)
Pitching
(13)
Pitching Rotation
(48)
pitching staff
(1)
plate discipline
(1)
Play Ball
(1)
player budget
(2)
player development
(2)
playoff
(2)
playoff hopes
(21)
playoff roster
(1)
playoff rotation
(3)
Playoff Success
(17)
Playoffs
(24)
postmortem
(1)
PQS
(47)
press conference
(1)
pressure
(2)
Projected Record
(1)
projection
(1)
promotion
(1)
prospect
(2)
Prospect of Note
(3)
Prospects
(42)
questions
(1)
Rafael Rodriquez
(8)
Rajai Davis
(2)
Ralph Barbieri
(1)
Ramon Ramirez
(3)
Randy Johnson
(9)
Randy Messenger
(2)
Randy Winn
(14)
Rangers
(5)
Ranking
(4)
Ray Durham
(5)
re-sign
(2)
Rebuilding
(4)
Rebuilding Myths series
(1)
Reds
(5)
Relocation Concession
(2)
Research
(2)
resource scarcity
(1)
Retired
(3)
Retirement
(1)
return
(1)
Rich Aurilia
(7)
Rick Peterson
(1)
Rickie Weeks
(1)
Ricky Oropesa
(3)
risk mitigation
(2)
risk profile
(1)
Rod Beck
(1)
Roger Kieschnick
(12)
Ron Shandler
(1)
Rookie of the Year
(1)
Roster
(4)
ROY
(2)
Rule 5 Draft Pick
(3)
rumors
(9)
runs support
(1)
Russ Ortiz
(11)
Ryan Garko
(2)
Ryan Klesko
(4)
Ryan Rohlinger
(2)
Ryan Theriot
(3)
Ryan Vogelsong
(45)
Sabean Naysayers
(4)
Sabermetric Thoughts
(5)
sabermetrics
(2)
Salary speculation
(3)
San Jose Giants
(1)
San Jose Relocation
(3)
Sandy Rosario
(1)
Santiago Casilla
(8)
Scott McClain
(2)
Scott Shuman
(1)
Scouting
(1)
Sergio Romo
(12)
SF Giants
(2)
Shilo McCall
(1)
Shooter
(1)
shutouts
(1)
Signature Song
(1)
signing
(10)
Silly-Ball
(2)
South Bay Rights
(1)
Spring Training
(14)
standings
(1)
starting lineup
(14)
starting pitching
(34)
STATS
(1)
Steroids
(4)
Steve Edlefsen
(4)
Steve Johnson
(3)
Steve Okert
(1)
Sue Burns
(1)
sunk costs
(1)
superstition
(1)
Team Speed
(1)
Team Support
(1)
The Giants Way
(1)
The Hey Series
(15)
Thomas Joseph
(3)
Thomas Neal
(9)
Tigers
(4)
Tim Alderson
(17)
Tim Lincecum
(129)
Todd Linden
(3)
Todd Wellemeyer
(6)
Tommy Joseph
(3)
top prospect list
(3)
Trade
(9)
Trade Analysis
(15)
Trade Idea
(7)
Trade PTBNL
(2)
Trade Rumors
(27)
trading
(1)
training staff
(2)
Training Tool
(1)
Travis Blackley
(1)
Travis Ishikawa
(39)
turning point
(1)
Tyler Walker
(2)
umpire mistake
(3)
Umpires
(3)
USA Today
(1)
Voros McCracken
(1)
Waldis Joaquin
(5)
walks
(1)
Warrior Spirit
(1)
Wendell Fairley
(10)
What-If Scenario
(3)
wild card
(1)
wild card race
(1)
Will Clark
(1)
Willie Mac Award
(1)
Willie Mays
(1)
Winter League
(1)
World Series
(17)
World Series Champions
(9)
WS Ring Bling
(1)
Zack Wheeler
(9)
No comments:
Post a Comment