The Giants has been contemplating signing QO players like Adames and Burnes this offseason, which would cost draft picks, and with the signing of Adames, they have now lost their second and fifth round picks.
Signing Burnes as well as Adames would tthen cost the team its second, third, fifth and sixth selections, part of the price the Giants paid for exceeding the luxury-tax threshold while finishing 80-82.These are just my opinions. I cannot promise that I will be perfect, but I can promise that I will seek to understand and illuminate whatever moves that the Giants make (my obsession and compulsion). I will share my love of baseball and my passion for the Giants. And I will try to teach, best that I can. Often, I tackle the prevailing mood among Giants fans and see if that is a correct stance, good or bad.
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Saturday, December 14, 2024
Your 2025 Giants: Losing Draft Picks Is Not So Bad
Thursday, December 12, 2024
Your 2025 Giants: Willy Adames Signed for 7 year, $182M
As reported, the Giants signed SS Willy Adames to a 7 year, $182M contract, which beats out Posey's contract for the largest in Giants history.
Here are some good articles on the signing:
Monday, November 11, 2024
Hey Buster!!! My Giants Business Plan
[Note: I've re-written the original starting post to be addressed to Buster Posey, new President of Baseball Operations of the San Francisco Giants, but the original series of links were to Bill Neukom, soon after he was hired, with additional ones after Zaidi was hired.]
Thursday, November 07, 2024
Your 2025 Giants: New Front Office Leaders - Buster and Zack
As most Giants fans know, Buster Posey was named to replace Farhan Zaidi as President of Baseball Operations. In that announcement he noted that Pete Putilla would no longer be the GM, and is being reassigned (to what, no news so far). He recently promoted Zack Minasian, who was the Giant's Pro Scouting Director, to be his GM, his right hand man to execute their strategies.
I wrote on this in my last post, but wanted to cover that and other thoughts here. These are two good articles highlighting what Posey is thinking about what the Giants strategy is under his leadership: Chronicle and MLB (capttures their vision). There are nice quotes from Bailey and Chapman as well.
“I think it’s a huge advantage that we have this blueprint from not too long ago on what works in this ballpark,” said Zack Minasian, who was introduced as Posey’s new general manager on Friday. “Buster’s talked about [it]: We’re going to pitch, we’re going to play good defense and we’re going to find ways to score runs. Having position players that can beat you in a variety of ways is very important in this ballpark. It’s pretty simple. It starts on the mound and then having the right players defending to help the pitcher every given day and just scratch and claw every run we can get.”
As Posey said in his initial press conference, they will take advantage of the park by winning with pitching and defense.
Friday, November 01, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: Why Six Years Is Not Enough (also: Posey/Minasian)
[Wrote most of this in mid-October, just never got around to finishing until today's announcement of Zack Minasian as the new GM, so I've added some comments about that]
Just read an article on Fangraphs, written a while ago, regarding how long draft prospects take to reach the majors. It was going to be a key rebuttal regarding the six years people have been complaining that Zaaidi’s had enough time to rebuild the team. Then reality took a left turn.
I was taking off for a vacation in SoCal, to visit my daughter, and was away from my phone since I was driving my wife and I down. So after we checked in, I checked my phone and my brother who also follows the Giants text me "Posey!" And I'm wondering what happened. Then I see The Athletic notifications of articles about Zaidi being replaced by Posey.
So, now, after he’s been fired and replaced by Posey, instead this post will simply be a learning experience for those who don’t understand the player development process very well (which, based on the vast majority of people commenting on The Athletic, is a vast majority of Giants fans; which aligns well with what I experienced when defending Sabean back in 2007-2010).
Thursday, August 29, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: This Has Been a Transitional Season
Wrote most of this up on The Athletic, posting it here, mostly the same, but I added too.
Tuesday, August 06, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: Rotation Dominance, is it Enough? Maybe
Now that we have seen Robbie Ray grunt through a few starts, and see the benefits of having a good rotation, along with the fact that the Giants have a weaker schedule now (due to having a tougher schedule earlier), and the Cobb trade opening up the rotation for Birdsong, I thought I would run through some possibilities.
Friday, July 19, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: Second Half Musings
With the second half starting up, and talking with other fans, some thoughts came up.
Sunday, July 14, 2024
Run Prevention is the Best Strategy for Going Deep into the AL Playoffs (Part 2 of Series)
This is the follow-up study of how well the top ranked AL teams in Runs Scored and Runs Allowed have fared in the playoffs during the Wild Card era, after I recently published my NL study. So that new readers can understand what I'm doing, I'm including the original beginning of my NL Study here:
I've been interested in the best ways to make the playoffs for a long while because the team I'm a fan of never made the playoffs much, let alone won a World Series championship, for many decades, for the entirety of their existence in this city. In the mid-2000's, I ran across two similar but different studies into Billy Beane's statement that his "stuff" didn't work in the playoffs, so I was very interested in if my team was following the findings.
While my study isn't as overarching or as statistically sophisticated as these two, I wanted to first recap their findings, so that one can see the difference between their datasets and methodologies and what I analyzed.
Studies of Success in MLB Playoffs
The findings of both Baseball Prospectus (in its chapter on Billy Beane) and Fangraphs The Hardball Times was both obvious and controversial: both found that it is pitching and fielding excellence that leads to success (winning) in the playoffs, and in going deep into the playoffs. The more controversial finding was that offense wasn't much of a factor in teams being successful in the playoffs. Each used similar but widely different methodologies.
Playoff Results by RA and RS Rank
Overall, it was clearly better to be be a Dual Leader, and better to be an RA leader to go deeper into the playoffs:
- Total teams: 60 Dual; 85 RA only; 85 RS only Leader Teams
- Total Playoff teams: 55 Dual; 35 RA only; 38 RS only
- Total ALCS teams: 29 Dual; 15 RA only; 12 RS only
- Total WS teams: 17 Dual; 8 RA only; 4 RS only
Ranking Comparisons
Overall, the Top RS teams got into the playoffs more often than the Top R teams, 64% vs. 62%, which is only marginally better. Comparing the rankings means much less datapoint per population, but it was still interesting to see the results.
Results were similar from 2 to 4, but much different for 1 and 5:
- RA 66% < RS 90%
- RA 79% ~ RS 79%
- RA 69% ~ RS 66%
- RA 41% ~ RS 45%
- RA 55% > RS 41%
RA Only | RS Only | |||||
Rank | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. |
1 | 0.71 | 0% | 36% | 4.88 | 23% | 81% |
2 | 2.63 | 20% | 63% | 1.00 | 0% | 67% |
3 | 4.35 | 33% | 53% | 1.60 | 17% | 40% |
4 | 0.95 | 25% | 20% | 0.75 | 0% | 35% |
5 | 2.39 | 29% | 39% | 0.00 | 0% | 11% |
Dual RA Rank | Dual RS Rank | |||||
Rank | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. |
1 | 10.00 | 50% | 93% | 10.54 | 46% | 100% |
2 | 5.46 | 15% | 100% | 3.14 | 8% | 93% |
3 | 6.08 | 36% | 92% | 7.93 | 46% | 93% |
4 | 6.11 | 38% | 89% | 4.33 | 33% | 67% |
5 | 2.39 | 11% | 82% | 5.00 | 20% | 100% |
- 31% of the Dual Leader playoff teams made the World Series (28% of all Dual Leader teams)
- 23% of the RA Only Playoff teams made the World Series (9% of all RA Only teams), and lastly,
- 11% of the RS Only Playoff teams made the World Series (4% of all RS Only teams).
Monday, July 08, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: Heliot Evolution
One of the great developments of this 2024 Giants season is the break out of Heliot Ramos. But, as great as his early start was, his BABIP was unsustainably in the .400’s, which even the greatest hitters in MLB history has never sustained over a full season, so I expected a fall, though to still good (800-ish OPS) from great (over .900). I thought I would reinvestigate his stats now that he seems to be sustaining a great OPS, and see what his numbers look like now.
Especially since he was named to the All Star NL team just the other day. He's the first home grown Giants OF to make the All Star game as a Giant since Chili Davis did it some 40 or so years ago. Some call it a curse, some call it a streak, I just call it an anomaly due to Sabean focusing the Giants on pitching since he took over in 1997.
Friday, June 21, 2024
Giants Long Wait for All-Star Outfielder Was a Feature, Not a Bug
This post was created in response to discussion about the Giants 40 years and counting wait for an All Star Outfielder, which might end soon anyway the way Heliot Ramos has been on fire. It was pulled from some comments I shared on The Athletic, and, of course, I then added more, as usual.
ogc thoughts
Many haters of Sabean and/or Zaidi love to bring up the fact that the Giants haven't produced an All Star caliber outfielder since Chili Davis. It's like producing Will Clark, Matt Williams, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Madison Bumgarner, and Buster Posey with first round picks wasn't good enough for them. We want outfielders!!!
The thing is, waiting for an OF is understandable when you consider that during the Rosen era, he used his best first round picks to get Will Clark and Matt Williams, then during Sabean’s era, which encompassed most of the rest of those 40 years, he spend almost every first round pick he had on pitchers, selecting Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner, and Wheeler, and, of course, there was his front office’s rare position pick, arguably his best, Buster Posey.
As well, looking at Zaidi's drafts should not be done with any finality yet because even his first draft, the 2019 draft, has had only three full pro seasons to play (equal to his 2020 draft), because they lost one in the pandemic, and it takes 4 to 6 seasons to get an accurate assessment of how well or poorly that draft went. It takes time for prospects to develop, and as we learned painfully over the years, even good prospects fizzle out, even after a good MLB season (Jerome!), and don't amount to much.
Sabean not only spent most of his first round picks on pitching, but even though rosters then were comprised of more hitters than pitchers (13/12), Sabean’s front office always drafted and signed more pitchers than hitters. They were all in on pitching! Zaidi has been similar overall, but differently, going all in on pitching for his 2021 and 2022 drafts.
Thus, if you thought nothing of Clark, Williams, Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner, Posey, and especially 3 in 5, then keep on pointing out this lack of producing outfielders as that was the sacrifice made to get these players. No outfielders is a feature, not a bug. And, ironically, this "streak" may end soon if Ramos makes the All Star game this season, he's on the ballot, and currently leads all outfielders in bWAR, so it seems likely that he (and likely Webb) will end up the Giants All Star representatives, assuming he can continue hitting well enough.
Analysis of Sabean First Round Picks
I thought it would be interesting to see how skewed Sabean was for pitching, by looking at who he picked in the first round, and with which picks. To be clear, when I am talking first round picks, I am talking the proper first round picks, not any supplemental players like McKinley or Crick. So just the first 30 picks of the first round.
That brings me to 24 picks within the first 30 picks for Sabean. Here’s that breakdown:
- 2 catchers
- 3 infielders
- 4 outfielders
- 15 pitchers (63%)
As regular readers know, I once analyzed the first 50 years of the draft (and wrote a blog post) and calculated the odds of finding a good (18+ bWAR) player, and if you add the odds up by these positions, that is the number of good players one can expect on average from Sabean’s various first round picks (through simple addition of the odds; for example, if the odds of finding a certain player is 5% or 0.05, and you have four of those picks, you can expect to find that player 0.20 of the time or 0.2 players).
On average, based on Sabean's first round picks, he would have found:
- 0.46 catchers
- 0.21 infielders
- 0.21 outfielders
- 1.72 pitchers
Why do it this way? It shows not only what position he picked but also the quality of the pick used for them.
Based on these averages, Sabean needed to have almost 5 times as many similar sets of first round draft picks (another 120 years of drafts, basically) in order to find one good outfielder or infielder with a first round draft pick, because he did not spend a ton of draft bullets on outfielders (19, 24, 29, 29) or infielders (19, 25, 29).
This is unlike catchers (2, 5) or LHP (10,30) or RHP (4, 6, 10, 14, 18, and eight picks, 20-25), where Sabean spent all his best draft picks. Sabean spent way more picks on pitching (almost 4 times as many as on OF, 5 times as many on IF) as well as quality of picks (8 times as much). Even adding up all the position players (0.88) is still roughly half that of pitchers (1.72).
This illustrates what I was talking about, he rarely spent any of his best draft picks on outfielders, because he was using more of them on pitchers, as well as more of the best picks (not one better than 19, whereas six picks from 4-18 we’re used on pitching), and thus the odds were tremendously against him in finding an outfielder while focusing so much on pitching. Similarly for IF in the first round.
Why don’t I look at the other rounds? Picks at the end of the first round became good players about 5% of the time, then it dropped to 2% by the middle of the third round, and 1% by the end of the fourth round. When compared to 1.72 pitchers, they don’t make a lot of difference, 20 drafts of the 5th round adds 0.20 (20 times 1%). Plus, as noted, Sabean spent more picks on pitching than hitters in the draft anyway, so whatever you add in the later rounds for the position players, it would be matched likely by a pitcher selected in the later rounds. The disparity of the first round picks is so great that the position players cannot catch up in odds after the first round.
Sabean Was a Good Drafter
Obviously Sabean did much better than average, which I covered in a series of posts after publishing the draft study linked above. He found a great (certainly HOF caliber) catcher in Posey, and four good to great pitchers in Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner (he likely would have been HOF caliber if not for his bike accident), and Wheeler. That’s 5 good and better players when the odds expected 2.6 good players in total, or almost double as much. Add in Belt, Crawford, and Reynolds (hmmm, Reynolds has in fact done veery well, I should revisit that analysis and update it) from the other rounds, and he’s doing exceptionally well, and Webb (also doing very well), Rogers, and Ramos (out of the possibles for reaching 18 bWAR) are still on the clock for his drafts.
To show how good that is, Sabean would have to have another 20 or so first round picks that fizzle in order for him to fall back down to average in terms of first round pick success. That almost doubles his number of first round picks, and that would only bring him to average. He was clearly very good at drafting in the first round.
The "Actual" First Round Further Accentuates Sabean's Pitching Focus
Thinking further about this, I realized that the first round is an artifice based on how many teams are in the MLB. When there were only 16 teams, the first round was only 16 picks, for example. So I then connected that to the fact that there is a tier of picks, 15-23, which has odds of 10.8%, then the next tier is 24-76, which has odds of 5.2%. So let's take a look at the distribution of Sabean picks for the first 23 picks (the best picks) of the first round:
- 2 catchers (13%)
- 1 outfielder
- 1 infielder
- 11 pitchers (73%)
Now it is nearly three quarters of his best picks were used on pitchers, nearly 4 times as much as the other three categories combined.
And by total bonuses:
- Catchers: $13.2M (34%)
- Outfielders: $3.1M (incidentally, the pick of Heliot Ramos)
- Infielders: $1.1M
- Pitchers: $21.3M (55%)
- Catchers: 46.2 bWAR (24%)
- Outfielders: 1.9 bWAR
- Infielders: 7.1 bWAR
- Pitchers: 135.3 bWAR (71%)
Zaidi Drafts
Complain about no outfielders if you want (and many Sabean and Zaidi haters want), but that was the plan for the most part, until recently, when Zaidi drafted Hunter Bishop and, recently, Bryce Eldridge, as OF, with first round picks. To compare, Zaidi has had five drafts so far, and selected outfielders with two of the five. In 24 drafts, Sabean selected three outfielders out of his 24 selections, a wide disparity.
Still, Zaidi has been focused on pitching. He moved heaven and earth to save up enough bonus money in the 2020 draft in order to draft Kyle Harrison in the 3rd round. This was made that much harder because this draft was only 5 rounds, instead of the usual 10 rounds, and thus less rounds to carve out bonus from. Despite this, he still found a Gold Glove caliber starting catcher in Bailey and possibly the 3B of the future in Schmitt.
Then in the 2021 and 2022 drafts, he used 17 of the 20 picks, that he had out of the first 10 rounds picks that he had in each draft, on pitching, and still found interesting prospects in Vaun Brown and Wade Meckler.
As I noted above, it does not make sense to try to judge Zaidi's drafts negatively yet. Prospects regularly take 4 to 6 years to become good players. And this makes sense as future major leaguers often take at least a season for each level, and there are five levels: A, Advanced A, AA, AAA, and MLB. Sometimes a prospect needs to repeat a level. And his 2019 and 2020 drafts have only had three full pro seasons so far.
Still, despite this, he has already found a Gold Glove caliber catcher in Bailey who should be the starter for the rest of the decade, at least, and an ace in training pitcher in Harrison, who has done ace type stuff at each level, including the MLB last season, with 9.1 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, and 3.14 K/BB, which only the best pitchers accomplish. As well, Whisenhunt and Eldridge have both made Top 100 prospect lists, and Crawford has zoomed up to AAA and might pitch in the majors this season, health permitting. Meckler and Schmitt have also made the majors, and Schmitt is hitting about league average, while playing 3B at an elite level last season.
Lack of Outfielders is a Feature, Not a Bug
Thus, as we can see above, the Giants have not spent a ton of picks, and really, not many (or really, any) good picks, on outfielders over the years, especially after Sabean took over as GM. They have mostly devoted their top picks on pitchers and catchers, and have done rather well there, Sabean found a lot of pitchers who contributed (five pitchers in total with 10+ bWAR, four good pitchers with 19+ bWAR) plus Posey (and potentially Ramos as well, and now I realize I should add Reynolds into this conversation), and Zaidi has already found a Gold Glove caliber catcher in Bailey, as well as a good starting pitcher in Harrison, health permitting.
And finding Bailey is amazing because Posey is HOF caliber, so I expected to not be so lucky with our next starting catcher, figuring the new guy won't even be close to what Posey was originally envisioned, a great defensive catcher who can hit, and maybe develop some power eventually (they projected he would eventually get into the 20 homer range eventually, but he got there right away). Even that is a lofty performance to match, but Bailey has been doing it so far.
So the lack of outfielder development is a feature of Sabean's and Zaidi's draft strategies (didn't bother to look at Rosen's, it was so short and so long ago, it is what it is). Both have focused a large amount of their picks on pitching and catching. Zaidi has actually spent two first round picks on outfielders, out of five drafts, but Bishop has been constantly injured and only this season reached AAA (drafted in 2019) and Eldridge not only was drafted last year, but he has also been moved to 1B, and currently not a two-way OF/pitcher, as originally drafted, so he won't be a starting OF unless he changes position again.
In any case, the outfield of the future looks filled with Matos, Lee, and Ramos, so Zaidi does not look like he needs to develop any outfielders in the near future, at least. And Ramos has been playing so well, for so long, that he could possibly break that streak by making the All Star game this season.
Wednesday, June 19, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: Zaidi Not Going Anywhere
I wrote most of this post because someone commented about how much they admire the Dodgers, who happened to hit a bunch of homers on a night our offense was limp (albeit against a pitcher who had a 2.78 ERA, so he was’t chopped liver, he was pretty good).
Saturday, May 04, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: StatCast Hitters' Analysis as of May 2nd
There has been so much hew and cry about the Giants offense that I thought I would peep into StatCast's team stats and see how things look. And as I thought, giant bad luck for the Giants.
Wednesday, April 24, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: Kyle Harrison Ace Analysis
Lots of people are doubting on Kyle Harrison, so I thought I would write a post on him. In particular, a poster of the name Brian M on The Athletic, said that Harrison is no more than a 3-4 starter in baseball, and dismissed the idea that he could be an ace.
Thursday, April 18, 2024
Your 2024 Giants: Your Big 6 Prospects
Annually, if I remember in time, I produce a Big 6 List of Giants Prospects. The 6 for this post are:
- Kyle Harrison
- Marco Luciano
- Jung Hoo Lee
- Carson Whisenhunt
- Hayden Birdsong
- Bryce Eldridge
- Landen Roupp is the bonus
Sunday, April 14, 2024
Fangraphs: Run Prevention is the Best Strategy for NL Playoffs
[ogc's note: I tried to publish this on Fangraph's Community Blog section, but just realized that nobody has published there for over a year. If it ever makes it through their review process, I will take down this post, and replace it with a link to Fangraph's version. Thank you for understanding.]
This is a study of how well the top ranked NL teams in Runs Scored and Runs Allowed have fared in the playoffs during the Wild Card era.
I've been interested in the best ways to make the playoffs for a long while because the team I'm a fan of never made the playoffs much, let alone won a World Series championship, for many decades, for the entirety of their existence in this city. In the mid-2000's, I ran across two similar but different studies into Billy Beane's statement that his "stuff" didn't work in the playoffs, so I was very interested in if my team was following the findings.
While my study isn't as overarching or as statistically sophisticated as these two, I wanted to first recap their findings, so that one can see the difference between their datasets and methodologies and what I analyzed.
Studies of Success in MLB Playoffs
The findings of both Baseball Prospectus (in its chapter on Billy Beane) and Fangraphs The Hardball Times was both obvious and controversial: both found that it is pitching and fielding excellence that leads to success (winning) in the playoffs, and in going deep into the playoffs. The more controversial finding was that offense wasn't much of a factor in teams being successful in the playoffs. Each used similar but widely different methodologies.
Playoff Results by RA and RS Rank
Overall, it was clearly better to be an RA Leader and best to be a Dual Leader:
- Total teams: 55 Dual; 90 RA only; 90 RS only Leader Teams
- Total Playoff teams: 53 Dual; 47 RA only; 22 RS only
- Total NLCS teams: 24 Dual; 21 RA only; 8 RS only
- Total WS teams: 11 Dual; 11 RA only; 4 RS only
Ranking Comparisons
Overall, the Top RA teams got into the playoffs more often than the Top RS teams, 69% vs. 52%. Comparing the rankings means much less datapoint per population, but it was still interesting to see the results.
Each ranked RA team did better than the similar ranked RS team from 1 to 5, by a large margin:
- RA 86% > RS 66%
- RA 76% > RS 55%
- RA 62% > RS 52%
- RA 76% > RS 59%
- RA 45% > RS 28%
RA Only | RS Only | |||||
Rank | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. |
1 | 4.29 | 23.5% | 77% | 2.00 | 11.8% | 41% |
2 | 1.61 | 5.6% | 61% | 1.32 | 5.3% | 32% |
3 | 1.83 | 11.8% | 41% | 0.14 | 0.0% | 7% |
4 | 2.41 | 5.9% | 59% | 0.44 | 0.0% | 31% |
5 | 2.71 | 14.3% | 29% | 1.33 | 4.2% | 13% |
Dual RA Rank | Dual RS Rank | |||||
Rank | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. | Avg PSP | World Series | Playoff Pct. |
1 | 7.73 | 41.7% | 100% | 5.33 | 25.0% | 100% |
2 | 4.73 | 18.2% | 100% | 7.10 | 20.0% | 100% |
3 | 4.00 | 8.3% | 92% | 7.07 | 26.7% | 93% |
4 | 4.69 | 8.3% | 100% | 2.54 | 7.7% | 92% |
5 | 5.25 | 25.0% | 88% | 2.20 | 0.0% | 100% |
- 21% of the Dual Leader playoff teams made the World Series (20% of all Dual Leader teams)
- 23% of the RA Only Playoff teams made the World Series (12% of all RA Only teams), and lastly,
- 18% of the RS Only Playoff teams made the World Series (4% of all RS Only teams).