tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post8477899712069701555..comments2024-02-23T20:49:09.057-08:00Comments on obsessivegiantscompulsive: Giants 2018 First Round Draft Pick: Joey Bart, Cobsessivegiantscompulsivehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-47635790278594645252018-06-11T10:31:06.930-07:002018-06-11T10:31:06.930-07:00Barr on other picks:
Hjelle: SCC POTY, competiti...Barr on other picks:<br /><br />Hjelle: SCC POTY, competitive mindset, moves well, strike thrower, see as SP with room to fill out, so projection left. SCC starters are very tough, top in nation.<br /><br />Wong: saw last year then as RP in Cape Cod. Good arm, live fastball, hard breaking ball. Was consistent as SP this year, see as SP.<br /><br />Rivera: drafted last year, but went back because he wanted more. Made nice progress, cleaned up his delivery. Plus fastball, hard breaking curveball. <br /><br />Winn: also drafted before, but unable to sign. He's multi-sport athlete, good athlete, moves fluidly. SP with 4-pitch mix.<br /><br />Hilson: HS OF, only 17 YO so younger, he is an excellent plus-athlete, with plus plus speed, and power in bat, should stay in CF.<br /><br />Mora: HS SS, defense is ahead of offense, once his frame is stronger, that should translate him into a contact hitter with line drive power to gaps.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-68326160108165182182018-06-11T10:22:38.269-07:002018-06-11T10:22:38.269-07:00From Barr interview, not full transcript, tried my...From Barr interview, not full transcript, tried my best to get his full comments:<br /><br />2018 Draft: strength was pitching. Starts after the 2017 draft. Lots of chance to find quality pitchers available, depth, plus some separation up top. Strong draft class overall. Was not sure who the Tigers pick, Mize, Bart, Singer.<br /><br />#2 pick: start with following 10 prospects, and winnowed down to 5 guys, then picked Bart.<br /><br />Bart: Advanced at calling games, helps in development defensively, feel for game. Scout Luke Murton/Morton went to Georgia Tech too, had contacts at GT, so the Giants got good inside look at Bart's makeup, competitiveness, See how he handles the game, and it was all positive. They started following him after he played in Cape after freshman year. Big strong RHH; plus defensive C; middle lineup with plus power. He's athletic, moves well behind plate, quick, when he throws, see ball jump out, premium defensive catcher. And with every AB, ball could go out, far. What jumps out is his power, athleticism, arm strength, handling of pitchers. Probably start out in AZ once signed, then S-K, then see where he goes from there, where he ends is what matters. Confident Giants will sign him soon. Rare talent mix at C.<br /><br />Draft: 35 college players, that's how the board fell, signability hurts HS, added a lot of pitching depth.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-19839816424622604052018-06-11T09:31:10.009-07:002018-06-11T09:31:10.009-07:00KNBR had a number of interviews with front office ...KNBR had a number of interviews with front office personnel to discuss Joey Bart.<br /><br />http://www.knbr.com/2018/06/07/head-of-giants-scouting-explains-what-sets-joey-bart-apart/<br /><br />“He’s a big strong catcher, right handed hitter who we see as a plus defensive catcher that’ll have plus power and have a chance to hit in the middle of the lineup,” Barr said. “Right when you lay eyes on Joey Bart you see he is someone who is an athletic catcher, who moves. He’s quick, he’s athletic. When he takes infield an outfield and you see him throw you see the ball just jump out of his hand. You realize you’re dealing with someone that has a chance to be a premium defensive player behind home plate.<br /><br />“When he comes up to the plate you get excited because there’s a possibility of every single at bat that he has that he may hit a ball as far as you can see.”<br /><br />http://www.knbr.com/2018/06/08/bobby-evans-shares-thoughts-on-joey-bart-and-steven-duggar/<br /><br />“How long for him Bob before he comes up?” Gary asked. “When you draft a guy number one in this day in age what does that mean?”<br /><br />“You know two, three years in the minors is probably reasonable,” Evans responded. “This being his first year it won’t work out to be a full year, only work out to be a half a year. We will be off in time, to bring catchers out of the draft to big league camp his first camp. So we will see him in big league camp most likely, health provided.”<br /><br />Bart, a junior out of Georgia Tech, is the highest draft pick the Giants have made in over three decades. The 6’3 catcher was batting .359 with 79 hits this past year for the Yellow Jackets.<br /><br />http://www.knbr.com/2018/06/08/sabean-gives-timetable-for-returns-of-cueto-samardzija-and-belt/<br /><br />Sabean also shared his thoughts on Bart. My best try at notes, not full transcription. ACC POTY. Complete package, middle order presence. Meeting at AT&T went great, saw his skills, very fortunate. He's very advanced because has size, strength, athletic ability. Big frame, blocks plate well, flexible, frames, throws with best in minors in accuracy. Power to gaps to do damage. But not finished product. Obstacles include adapting to wood bad, rigors of playing 6-7 games per week. Good foundation with calling pitches, freed him to focus on bat, very uncommon combo. <br /><br />Can't draft for organizational need, MLB draft is the biggest acid test in sports. But did focus on advanced/college amateurs since they were drafting early in the rounds, tried to stick to the draft board.<br /><br />Also others. <br /><br />Hjelle: 3 pitch starter that John Barr is high on. Uncommon frame due to 6'11" but he has uncommon athleticism as he pitches like 6' 5", throwing with an uncommon angle, and the physics of throwing downhill.<br /><br />Wong: 4 pitches, was a reliever in the Cape, see him as either starting pitcher or late reliever. <br /><br />Rivera: written up due to college coach, second coming of Kimbrel, good fast ball, good breaking ball, might be the best in the draft. <br /><br />Winn: Junior college success as SP and RP.<br /><br />All have size, strength, athletic ability, they all check those boxes.<br /><br />Also talked about Giants situation. Said Suarez reminded him of Rueter, because of his confidence in this pitches, unafraid to throw strikes, very interesting. obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-12622063977987335492018-06-08T11:27:13.358-07:002018-06-08T11:27:13.358-07:00I agree with your assessment, based on what I'...I agree with your assessment, based on what I've read about Bart since the pick.<br /><br />No love for Dick Dietz? I liked him way back when, and looking at his career stats, he was our main catcher for 4 years, got AS one year, hit really well. <br /><br />Can't speak to his defense though, nor of Brenly. But per BB-Ref, Brenly did look to be the better catcher, by a good margin, I think. So, I guess Brenly>Dietz is right.<br /><br />Also, no mention of Molina? His bat wasn't as good, but he was great behind the plate for us defensively, per BB-Ref, even in his last partial season for us. But hard to balance offense and defense in valuing players.<br /><br />Haller I know nothing of, other than he was the GM when the Giants passed on signing Barry Bonds. Per BB-Ref, he was a good hitter as well as good defensively, so I'll agree with you on him being second best. <br /><br />Thanks for the trip down memory lane!obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-36041882888560784392018-06-06T11:19:58.458-07:002018-06-06T11:19:58.458-07:00If the reports are true I think he could be the se...If the reports are true I think he could be the second best catcher in Giants' history (modern era baseball). I certainly won't put him over Posey. Posey is already one of the Top-10 catchers (through 2016) of the modern era. <br /><br />By I second best because I think he has that talent. I sort of remember Haller, who was a 2x All Star, but really just by reputation as he was winding down when I started rooting for the Giants. The next best (after Haller) during the modern era was Bob Brenly who was the best (long term) catcher we had from the late 1960s through Posey being called up.<br /><br />And I think he'll be better than Brenley (a 1x All-Star and very erratic at the plate). Or the declining, last-hurrah of Benito Santiago who was a great catcher for the Padres and even a 1X All-Star for us, but was in decline defensively. <br /><br />MosesZDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12702323080585738748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-25308089390900991622018-06-06T09:14:50.432-07:002018-06-06T09:14:50.432-07:00Thanks for the comment.
Yeah, his head was alwa...Thanks for the comment. <br /><br />Yeah, his head was always the sticking point. As we saw with his implosion once the adults were not in the room with him, when he left to go to Boston, that hole in the male's brain that is supposed to fill up by mid-20's, was a bit delayed with Pablo, and his career went into the toilet.<br /><br />So, you read a lot: what do you think of Bart's head? He seems advanced to me, after reading all of the above research, very mature, having the high baseball IQ the Giants love. Honestly, never thought calling your pitches was that advanced a tool, just because the catcher isn't allowed doesn't mean he can't do it, I think that aligns more with how much of a micro-manager the manager wants to be (and I would assume, a vast majority of them are). To me, this means more that this coach is advanced, more than Bart is advanced. Kind of like how some pitchers don't learn breaking pitches until late, while other start early. With practice, the late ones catch up and perhaps surpass (like Bumgarner). obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-46429232656290078482018-06-06T05:25:32.979-07:002018-06-06T05:25:32.979-07:00Sandoval had everything you needed to be a very go...Sandoval had everything you needed to be a very good catcher, except his head. Unfortunately, once you get past acceptable athleticism, head is the most important attribute of a catcher's game. MosesZDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12702323080585738748noreply@blogger.com