tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post3624291888283551516..comments2024-02-23T20:49:09.057-08:00Comments on obsessivegiantscompulsive: Giants Love 'Em When They're Up, Love 'Em When They're Downobsessivegiantscompulsivehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-8853669683353397982016-03-19T09:55:23.094-07:002016-03-19T09:55:23.094-07:00Thanks for sharing additional info regarding Ryder...Thanks for sharing additional info regarding Ryder. That makes a lot of sense for guys who are not on the top tier of interest to be dropped in terms of ranking due to lack of interest on the part of scouts. Less engaged observation, due to the thought that it would be wasted on a guy going to school and not turn pro, would lead to a drop in rank. Makes me think of how we got Blackburn.<br /><br />Yes, I agree that people do sometimes forget that scouts have been following these guys for a long time. Probably from middle school for the ones who are already starting to show something (that Atlanta scout was already cultivating Heyward because he happened to be on the same team as the scout's son).<br /><br />You're welcome, I try, appreciate the compliment and support.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-7720627741810109062016-03-18T22:45:10.165-07:002016-03-18T22:45:10.165-07:00Thank you steveB, appreciate the support. Especia...Thank you steveB, appreciate the support. Especially from all the way in Japan!obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-78661165149377940212016-03-18T12:21:48.988-07:002016-03-18T12:21:48.988-07:00OGC - This is a very interesting data sort. I rem...OGC - This is a very interesting data sort. I remember looking at Ryder Jones trying to figure out how it was so left field in perception from consensus guys... The official version was "it was snowy in the Carolinas and scouts didn't go see him". What I found as well though (in addition to that high initial ranking, which definitely stands out) is that most scouts and therefore the ranking orgs that talk and chit-chat dismissed him as a Stanford commit who wasn't going to sign. So if he isn't going to sign, why bother ranking, that attitude. This doesn't happen with the most hyped bonus babies obviously, but there are tiers. So some guys stay up the rankings even with big commits, but Ryder got dismissed quickly in the draft ranking season.<br /><br />The other thing I think people sometimes forget is that scouts are on these guys a ton from the beginning. The Giants must have so much film on Tyler Beede, just tons and tons. They look at them in HS, they look at the big tourneys for the bonus babies, they look at them again in college. The purpose of the professional scout as opposed to the big opinion/ranking guys is they see them again and again to have a baseline of consistency. Then that info is sent up the ladder.<br /><br />The other thing that was interesting for me personally is there are guys on the list who I identified while in college as sleepers who looked good: Duffy and Cole in particular, and wrote profiles of them way before they were drafted.<br /><br />I also noticed Agosta and Vander Tuig dropping, I knew of them pre draft and thought those were excellent value plays. <br /><br />So thanks for this data crunch. Another thoughtful interesting piece by you.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-71048161142480403612016-03-17T18:06:43.617-07:002016-03-17T18:06:43.617-07:00OGC, Looking forward to reading your insightful ar...OGC, Looking forward to reading your insightful articles again this year.stevebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09185582735261464424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-65801392247668655972016-03-17T17:06:17.293-07:002016-03-17T17:06:17.293-07:00OGC - great work. Enjoyed reading it and reading ...OGC - great work. Enjoyed reading it and reading what you put down for the bloggers chat.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-82242419821477863362016-03-17T00:09:53.824-07:002016-03-17T00:09:53.824-07:00My understanding is that the scouting department t...My understanding is that the scouting department that found Robby got decimated after Magowan bought the team. And judging by the lack of success pre and post John Barr joining us, They either did not have the right people in place before Or they were not being listened to because of the penny pinching ways that dominated ownership until Magowan was retired. For I have heard that we could have had cC Sabathia except that Magowan would not OK the bonus for him. obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-49364631958926997072016-03-16T22:49:45.144-07:002016-03-16T22:49:45.144-07:00That's not demonstratively true. The Giants h...That's not demonstratively true. The Giants have an advanced analytics department providing assistance and over the years Giants managers and coaches have noted more advanced stats in describing players. Sabean too. They were one of the first teams to beta test FieldFX, talking about how they were looking forward to using insights from that tech. I would say that they kept the best of scouting and infused it with analytics, which is the right way to do it, not throwing out the old, as there was value there as well.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-35849688873845542072016-03-16T22:45:12.663-07:002016-03-16T22:45:12.663-07:00I guess I worded it wrong. I don't write up s...I guess I worded it wrong. I don't write up small bits of info like this - I've known about Crawford's top ten for a while, plus have been openly praising Barr for a while - and end up including into one of my Long posts at some point if I see a connection. I held nothing back, as I noted, we'll see about the length.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-52939526742944951102016-03-16T18:27:40.208-07:002016-03-16T18:27:40.208-07:00I think the giants use statistics but also use sco...I think the giants use statistics but also use scout analysis separate from statistics and combine the two. Even going way back to Robbie Thompson and looking at Panik, Mueller, Tomlinson and Duffy, these guys are good athletes but not necessarily great, but they have baseball skills. Mueller won a batting title, and he never had great bat speed, but he was able to use his baseball skills to overcome his lack of quick twitch muscles. He also was a fine fielder. Duffy is a baseball player, a throw back, as was Robbie Thompson, and is Panik. Tomlinson falls somewhere in that mold. nomisnalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08297640472949764321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-34718865900293699172016-03-16T18:08:31.722-07:002016-03-16T18:08:31.722-07:00Giants scouts don't seem to interested in stat...Giants scouts don't seem to interested in statistics.That's why they have done such a good job of building a winner.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05575531277486104215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-74258425482547334602016-03-16T15:27:23.276-07:002016-03-16T15:27:23.276-07:00When you write great posts like this one, quite su...When you write great posts like this one, quite succinct if one considers the large amount of finely presented and analyzed information here, you can expect howls of lament from your readers if in fact you shorten your posts. Here you've nailed down a vague supposition that has been aired but never examined, which is a great pleasure to those of us who like facts and evidence when we talk baseball, and distrust hunches, dogma, and gassing around. (I'd put "great pleasure" in boldface if I knew how to do that on my iPad.)campanarinoreply@blogger.com