tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post2237545235197580066..comments2024-02-23T20:49:09.057-08:00Comments on obsessivegiantscompulsive: Uribe Signing with D-gers: 3 years, $21M pending physicalobsessivegiantscompulsivehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-52394799514051197482010-12-01T15:16:38.294-08:002010-12-01T15:16:38.294-08:00Thanks for the comments everyone.
Jay Viz, good p...Thanks for the comments everyone.<br /><br />Jay Viz, good point about Uribe's numbers going down.<br /><br />grm, I like the historic thread Juan weaved with his uncle, but that just made his decision hurt that much more. I'll be thankful for his time and key contributions, but I've moved on: it's the D-gers for criminny sake!<br /><br />marc, yes, I think Neifi is still around, but thankfully been retired for a while now.<br /><br />DrB, good point about 18 games v. Giants pitching.<br /><br />Too bad Theriot was traded to StLou. I'm OK with Miggy over O-Cab as I think he does have leadership qualities that O-Cab lacks, IMO.<br /><br />Boof, just Freudian slip, no? :^)<br /><br />And sorry, but it sounds like he's the full-time SS right now. I think Pablo is going to be fine defensively, particularly with him getting professional help in getting fit (he's using Barry Bonds' old fitness outfit in Arizona). He'll never be great, but with his bat, he can provide a lot of value if he's just average defensively.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-90174463355898576242010-12-01T10:56:02.008-08:002010-12-01T10:56:02.008-08:00I sure hope that Tejada was signed to play 3B and ...I sure hope that Tejada was signed to play 3B and not SS. If the Giants are thinking of pairing Tejada & Sandoval on the left side of the infield, be prepared for all our pitchers numbers to go up.Boofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-9918705155613403182010-11-30T18:30:02.395-08:002010-11-30T18:30:02.395-08:00Boof,
With it taking $6.5M to sign Tejeda it no ...Boof, <br /><br />With it taking $6.5M to sign Tejeda it no longer matters if Berkman is willing to play in SF or not. The Giants no longer have the money to spend to sign him.giantsrainmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-50268821393059968422010-11-29T22:14:53.234-08:002010-11-29T22:14:53.234-08:00Yikes.........I can't spell.Yikes.........I can't spell.Boofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-37759658817802299282010-11-29T22:12:21.493-08:002010-11-29T22:12:21.493-08:00Sorry, Rainman, but there is no way in hell that B...Sorry, Rainman, but there is no way in hell that Berkman comes to the Gaints at any price. He is on record as saying he hates it here. Ass that to the fact that he is a mere shell of the player he once was and that all adds to PASS.<br /><br />Tejada is no longer a SS. Period. Renteria has more range than Tejada. He is really not an option. I agree with DrB's order of SS replacements.Boofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-70043583537566138882010-11-29T21:35:07.162-08:002010-11-29T21:35:07.162-08:00Mark my words: Uribe is going to tank in LA. For...Mark my words: Uribe is going to tank in LA. For one thing, he'll have to face Giants pitching in 18 games! Don't laugh, that's probably at least 15% of the total games he'll play in. <br /><br />I agree with you, OGC. Time to go small at SS. First priority should be getting someone who is good on D, and secondly for cheap.<br /><br />My first choice is Theriot, who appears to be a lock to be non-tendered. O-Cab would be #2. Miggy T would be a distant #3 because of inferior D. Bartlett or JJ Hardy only if we can get them for 1 reliever plus 1 3'rd tier prospect.DrBGiantsfanhttp://www.whenthegiantscometotown.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-91645033840954268832010-11-29T20:13:46.801-08:002010-11-29T20:13:46.801-08:00Yeah.... $21 million was too much for Uribe. He...Yeah.... $21 million was too much for Uribe. He's a favorite of mine too, but he really is a utility guy. It shows faith by the Giants that Panda will return to form (and people seem to forget DeRosa).<br /><br />I'm not terribly excited about the crop of SS out there either, Tejada maybe the most if he can be had for a song, but he's a risk. I agree that a defense-first SS is the best move, makes the pitching better, and while nobody on the roster is exactly Babe Ruth, for once there's a profound lack of black holes in the lineup. Shockingly, I think the Giants can afford to give a little there.<br /><br />Is Neifi Perez still out there? :-)marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-38665909454625584762010-11-29T18:50:47.979-08:002010-11-29T18:50:47.979-08:00I will miss Juan greatly. His ties to Giants hist...I will miss Juan greatly. His ties to Giants history thru his uncle and his clutch hitting will always make him one of my fovorite short term Giants.<br /><br />In my view completely independent of the above I would of matched the Dodgers offer. All his has to produce over the next 3 years is 5 WAR for this to be a fair deal and I think the odds favor him exceeding this level of production.<br /><br />All that said, I do not see this as a big hit to the Giants ability to return to post season success in 2011. We have other options.<br /><br />For example we can most likely sign both Tejada and Berkman to 1 year deals totaling the $7M Uribe will be paid in 2011. The following lineup might look mighty nice on opening day 2011 and way better the the opening day 2010 lineup.<br /><br />Torres CF S<br />FSanchez 2B R<br />Huff LF L<br />Posey C R<br />Berkman 1B S<br />Ross RF R<br />Sandoval 3B S<br />Tejeda SS Rgiantsrainmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-82290107968039861232010-11-29T18:11:58.168-08:002010-11-29T18:11:58.168-08:00I agree with you obsessive, Uribe's numbers ac...I agree with you obsessive, Uribe's numbers actually went down from the first month of this season onwards. He is a clutch hitter and eventhough he decided to sign with the Dodgers,he made the key contributions a la hitting the game winning HR in game 6 of the NLCS. However, his BA for the postseason wasn't great and neither was it great for this season.<br /><br />Out of the crop of SS's available, I'm most intrigued by JJ Hardy. He seems to fit the bill on both sides of the ball. I just don't think Brandown Crawford is quite ready from an offensive point of view and Adrianza is apparently lower on the prospect pool. <br /><br />The key to next year, outside of pitching and defense, is Sandoval. We need to sure up the left side of the infield and without a SS for the meantime and De Rosa being a question mark due to his age/wrist, the Giants scoring production oddly will have a lot to do with Sandoval.Jay Vizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02333422632659808173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-26649057540273511912010-11-29T18:09:16.171-08:002010-11-29T18:09:16.171-08:00The rumored target for the Rays in return for Bart...The rumored target for the Rays in return for Bartlett is bullpen help. That is something the Giants can provide.Boofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-6440376466305960192010-11-29T17:36:28.612-08:002010-11-29T17:36:28.612-08:00Boof, I like Theriot too, I would have preferred h...Boof, I like Theriot too, I would have preferred him over Fontenot.<br /><br />Anon, we just have different views of what Uribe was worth. He deserved more but at 3 years, $21M, that's just too much. <br /><br />People forget about how bad he was in the years before 2009. And his 2010 wasn't that great either in terms of OPS. It's OK for an average defensive SS, but far short for 2B or 3B, which are the two positions they are hoping he will play for them.<br /><br />It won't be as bad as Schmidt's deal, just due to size and lack of performance, but I wouldn't be surprised if Uribe delivers high 600 OPS offense to D-gers for three years, which is not what they would be hoping for from him (besides stealing him away from Giants). He'll be more like their new Juan Pierre: OK but not what they wanted.<br /><br />Another area of disagreement: only 32 YO? That's fine if he were not of the body shape he is - big boned - and not playing at key defensive positions. His body type tends to age quicker than others, and outside of his great 2009, he hasn't had a good offensive season since 2004 when he was 24.<br /><br />Another anomaly of his two seasons with SF is that he hit way better in SF than elsewhere:<br /><br />2010:<br />Home: .280/.335/.479/.813 20 AB/HR<br />Away: .215/.285/.400/.685 24 AB/HR<br /><br />2009:<br />Home: .346/.385/.582/.967 20 AB/HR<br />Away: .241/.279/.421/.701 31 AB/HR<br /><br /><br />Career:<br />LAD: .258/.308/.367/.674 40 AB/HR<br />Home: .279/.322/.489/.811 23 AB/HR<br />Road: .233/.278/.376/.654 39 AB/HR<br /><br />Unless he suddenly figures out how to hit in LA AND on the road, his numbers for LA will be closer to .700 OPS than .800 OPS.<br /><br />But we can agree that we don't blame him for taking that deal.<br /><br />I'm not worried yet about SS. I think some nice surprises will come out of the non-tendered crop of players. And, worse comes to worse, if nothing good there, I just realized that if all the Marlins could get for Uggla was two good relievers, I would expect the price for a JJ Hardy or Jason Barlett to be much less.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-52058180948368835542010-11-29T16:36:52.608-08:002010-11-29T16:36:52.608-08:00I think you're wrong. The Giants should have m...I think you're wrong. The Giants should have matched the offer. The Renteria signing was a bad one but he made up for it with the 2010 postseason. The Giants got Uribe on the cheap the last 2 years and it was time to stop nickel and diming the guy and reward him: power-hitting middle infielders who can play all over the infield don't grow on trees. If the Giants want to skimp then skimp on their bullpen. Shortstop is the only big hole the Giants had to fill and why not do it with someone they know. So tell me: Who's gonna play short now? It's just ridiculous that the Giants can't pay a guy what he's worth. They just won the World Series and he played a part in that happening. They should have paid the man. He's only going to be 32 years old next year, he's still got plenty left in the tank for a 3 year $21 million dollar deal. I'll boo-RIBE that guy like nobody's business when he's in town but I can't blame him for taking that contract.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23735245.post-46004398817623342242010-11-29T15:44:33.798-08:002010-11-29T15:44:33.798-08:00Totally agree that passing on this type of contrac...Totally agree that passing on this type of contract for Uribe was the right move. Looks like it could be the Jason Schmidt situation all over again for the Dodgers.<br /><br />Now that Uribe is signed by the Dodgers, it's more likely than not that Ryan Theriot is non-tendered by the Dodgers. Don't be surprised if he ends up being the Giants SS in 2011.Boofnoreply@blogger.com